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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:06 pm Back to top

There is a big lacunae in the Bench marking of P.Way staff laid down by E&R directorate of RB.

ETKM cannot be the only factor to decide the manpower ratio in the Benchmarking.For calculation of men required, there are two more factors besides ETKM(E) considered in special commitee formula ie manpower factor (M) and correction factor (K)and men required is E x M x K.

Manpower factor which is nothing but man days required per year to maintain one km of fish plated track divided by mandays available (less holidays). This is 1.47 for BG and 1.20 for MG/NG

Correction factor is a factor for mordernisation and mechanisation and varies from 1 for fishplated track maintained manually to 0.5 for LWR of PRC sleepers.

HQ finance on WR had returned the proposal for creation of posts for new assets on RJT division as RJT division has 1.56 men per ETKM and BRC division has only 1.11 men per ETKM and therefore RJT divsion has already got surplus staff and therefoe more staff is not justified. On examination, it is seen that RJT division has only BG and BRC division has both BG & NG in ratio of around 1.6:1.

Now let us see an example.
Division A has 200 ETKMs of BG and therefore manpower requirement for the same for fish plated track maintained manually will be 200 x 1.47 x 1 = 294. Men required per ETKM works out to 1.47

Division B has also 200 ETKMs but 100 ETKMs of BG & 100 ETKMs of MG. Men required for the same for fishplated track maintained manually will be (100 x 1.47 x 1.00) + (100 x 1.20 x 1.00) = 267. Men required per ETKM is 1.34.

By accepting the Bench marking thrusted on us to reduce manpower, we have made a fool of ourselves.Nobody is fighting against this unscientific exercise. Mechanical officers are smart and got C&W staff excluded from benchmarking. When we have already a formula of MCNTM for gangstrength, why should benchmarking be required for gangstaff or even all P.Way staff as a whole.

Discussions in the following link of IRICEN forrum may also be seen.
http://iricen.indianrailways.gov.in/IRICEN1/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=22177
            
            
            
- V. Natarajan AEN(TP)CCG ... 14-06-11

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:42 pm Back to top

Though MCNTM has been implemented by railway board itself, but it is of no use. Nowhere gang strength is getting sanctioned on basis of this. People (at higher level) capable of taking decisions have CR and transfer issues. The problem is more for developing railways where Doubling and GC is taking place. If there is anyone who can justify the very basic purpose of all the efforts gone in making and implementing MCNTM may enlighten me. I will like to share that formulation of MCNTM has so far proved to be a very useless tool for open line when it comes to sanctioning of posts. Only use is that of comparing gang strength between different divisions since a common comparing standard is available.
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We people are only comparing vacancies in different areas, and are satisfied with stories.
"HUM TO PAANI MEIN ITNA DOOB CHUKE HAIN TUM KITNA DOOBE HO"
May be the day MCNTM comes to rescue (if at all it comes, chances of which are very bleak) "SAB LOG DOOB KE MAR CHUKE HONGE, KOI PEHLE KOI BAAD MEIN !!"
            
            
            
- Sumit Jain SR.ADEN BUI, Varanasi Division, NER ... 14-06-11

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:43 am Back to top

You should make use of the difference in strength required as per MCNTM formula and the actual men on roll going in for outsourcing of activities for P.Way maintainance.

Even if you are able to create so many posts as required as per MCNTM formula, there is serious problems in getting bodies for filling up the posts. Earlier we had several graduates recruited as gangmen and they were not useful and many of them had gone for greener pastures. Now we have recruited ex-servicemen ad they are not willing to works as track men or gatemen. A gangmen's job is the most difficult job on the earth as not only he has to travel long distances by foot, but has to do all types of jobs like cleaning of drains & dealing with night soil (safaiwala's job) to heavy work like beater packing which still has not been withdrawn braving all weather be it be in the hot sun, chilling winter or the monsoons. We will never get such obedient and hardworking people we had in the past few decades and once all these people retire, it is really going to be difficult unless we change the face of gangmen by making him more like a technician with vehicles for his movement as well as for his mechanised tools, and keep his pay scale on par with any artesans besides 100% mechanisation of track maintainance and renewals.
            
            
            
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:24 am Back to top

Another lacunae in benchmarking:-

Before the advent of MCNTM formula, the special commitee formula was used to evaluate the gang strength. The strength so calculated was for certain activities which are more or less uniform in all Indian Railways. For other activities, we used to engage casual labour in predecausualisation era and after case in supreme court, decausualised posts were sanctioned as DC gangmen with condition that no fresh sanctions of casual labour should be sought for these activities which were done using the caual labour. In fact the DC posts were sanctioned as per the lowest strength of casual labours engaged on ELA against revenue (Earlier we had casual labour against projects like Track renewals against the sanctioned works which were excluded while sanctioning the DC posts).

Therefore out of our presemt total strenght of Gangmen say X% of strength was covered on the gangstrength formula which is ETKM based and remaining Y% DC posts is not covered in the formula including th different types of patrolling. (X+Y=100%)This X:Y %age varies from PWI unit ti PWI unit. During the annual reviews, we used to set aside this Y% strength as a fixed requirement and review only the remaining X% which are for specified duties in special commiee formula and surrendered posts due to mordernisation & mechanisation that took place during the 1980s till the 1990s in a big way

Now in the benchmarking the total strength of gangstaff is divided by ETKM to work out men/ETKM when only X% of the gangstrength was ETKM based and remaining Y% is site specific and not ETKM based.This is a big lacunae.

Now in MCNTM formula, while we have a formula for traffic density based activities, for activities that are site specific, we enter the mandays actually used for those activities to arrive at the total strength. Even shortage of gatekeepers are added in the gangstrenth as when there is shortage of gate keepers gangmen are deployed at the gates.

So when we already have a ration formula for gangstrength i.e the MCNTM formula, why do we have benchmarking for P.Way staff - the gang staff in particular based on men per ETKM.

Nobody seems bothered to scrap bechmarking for P.Way staff when it is affecting our efforts for creating posts for new assets as accounts simply say that the staff is more as per bench marks fixed. Benchmarking & MCNTM formula are contradicting each other.
            
            
            
- V. Natarajan AEN(TP)CCG ... 18-06-11
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